Mafia 4 - Night 2, Deadline 10/7 9pm

[Z-licious]

While I'm damn sure that we need to get someone on the block here, I don't know that I like losing 24 hours to possible drive time.

Get it through your skull Tom, we do not have close to 24 hours left! I personally have 1 hour left until I'm off for the rest of the day.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

JAY! You're killing me!

And here comes Sandy with the monkey wrench.

 

[Z-licious]

I don't think you've convinced me to vote for Eddy, but if we lynch Josh or Nate today (especially Josh) and they turn out to be Town, in my opinion that paints a giant bullseye on Eddy's back.

No it doesn't. I quoted suspect posts by both of them and asked for explanations. If they get lynched as a result that means at least 4 other people thought it was suspect as well. If one of them gets lynched and turns out to be Town all that means is they played poor Town. I could be scum, but one of them being town neither supports nor disproves that theory. In fact, if we lynch one of them and they are scum, that fact neither supports nor disproves that I might not be scum as well. I could be scum throwing a scum partner under the bus. It would be a risky move cuz you'd probably have a much higher chance of winning if you both tried to survive but it is a valid tactic.

 

[mndsm]

No.

You don't get to use this time for investigation. While you were sitting on your ass the last 3 days I was getting in people faces and asking the hard questions. You had plenty of time for investigation and you want to do it now when we need to lynch? We have 10 hours left and you keep saying we will lose a day. The only way we will lose a day is if we stand around with our dicks in our hands again and not have a majority vote for lynch, then we lose a townie and a whole game day.

Also, do you even know how to play this game? Not only do you have to try to figure out who scum are, but you have to be able to convince other people that you're right. I haven't seen you do either this game day and you go accusing me of doing exactly what town needs to do? Thanks, but don't try to add a negative spin to it by saying investigation and rallying are scummy actions.

Um excuse me? I can do precisely whatever the fuck I want. What you define as "sitting on my ass" I define as collecting information. As far as "do I know how to play" Damn right I do. I know full well that it is towns job to ferret out scum. I also know that it's towns job to convince other town they're right as to have a vote for scum. I ALSO KNOW- That it would be smart of scum to play a forward move and play it just like town, and try and paint targets on the ones they're most likely able to pin blame on.

As far as 24 hours- That was in reference to you trying to get a vote pulled and someone on the block before yesterday. You WANTED town to lose an entire day. You wanted everyone to get so stirred up yesterday, based on the paranoia of an NL on d2, that Town as a whole would have been willing to sacrifice an entire day to avoid the d1 debacle. And it almost worked.

VOTE EDDY

 

[dmention7]

You called Nate out a couple of days ago for saying you "got defensive when the eye was on you". Well, there you go.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

No it doesn't. I quoted suspect posts by both of them and asked for explanations. If they get lynched as a result that means at least 4 other people thought it was suspect as well. If one of them gets lynched and turns out to be Town all that means is they played poor Town. I could be scum, but one of them being town neither supports nor disproves that theory. In fact, if we lynch one of them and they are scum, that fact neither supports nor disproves that I might not be scum as well. I could be scum throwing a scum partner under the bus. It would be a risky move cuz you'd probably have a much higher chance of winning if you both tried to survive but it is a valid tactic.

Good points Eddy... and I agree.

Thom does not seem to be yielding or banding together with the other town, so we shouldn't consider his vote, for end of day 2.

Where will your vote lay Eddy? Picklz?

 

[dmention7]

No it doesn't. I quoted suspect posts by both of them and asked for explanations. If they get lynched as a result that means at least 4 other people thought it was suspect as well. If one of them gets lynched and turns out to be Town all that means is they played poor Town. I could be scum, but one of them being town neither supports nor disproves that theory. In fact, if we lynch one of them and they are scum, that fact neither supports nor disproves that I might not be scum as well. I could be scum throwing a scum partner under the bus. It would be a risky move cuz you'd probably have a much higher chance of winning if you both tried to survive but it is a valid tactic.

I said "In my opinion". Quit trying to tell people what is or is not a valid suspicion. Your authoritarian style of play is making me seriously reconsider my earlier statements that you hadn't done anything blatantly scummy.

You're also going out on a limb there with your use of the words "prove" and "disprove". Of fucking course nothing proves or disproves anything--behaviors and actions are evidence towards a conclusion, but the only thing that "proves" anything to Town is someone getting lynched. The facts are that you have pushed pretty hard to rally a lynch around Josh, and you have pushed VERY hard to come to a consensus early. You can nitpick all you want on Tom for the fact that it is NOW less than 12 hours out from the deadline, but you have been saying we need a consensus a day in advance for some time now. It's a fairly straightforward conclusion that pushing to lynch a player who turns out to be town paints you as suspicious. How and why the hell would you deny that?

 

[WhiteSpy9]

Unvote Josh

I don't have a good sense of where things are heading....

 

[dmention7]

Good points Eddy... and I agree.

Thom does not seem to be yielding or banding together with the other town, so we shouldn't consider his vote, for end of day 2.

Where will your vote lay Eddy? Picklz?

What other town? How do you know who is town and who isn't? Scum is every bit as capable of rallying a vote, so saying that the majority vote is based on Town's rational logic is a falsehood!

 

[WhiteSpy9]

True... let me clarify.

Thom does not seem to be yielding or banding together with who I suspect at this time is town, so we shouldn't consider his vote, for end of day 2.

What other town? How do you know who is town and who isn't? Scum is every bit as capable of rallying a vote, so saying that the majority vote is based on Town's rational logic is a falsehood!

 

[dmention7]

EBWOP: Sorry, my last statement should say "saying that the majority vote is certainlybased on Town's rational logic is a falsehood"

 

[AJ]

I have to say if we are looking at either a Josh/Tom or Josh/Nate scum combo, or even Josh/Andy, this back and forth, and their ability to change a vote is brilliant. At this rate they look like they have done their job, controlled the vote so that there is 100% NO chance scum dies day two and they pick one of us off to likely lead where the discussion of day threee goes, setting up another one of us to likely look really bad depending who they knife.

If town votes we at least have a 13% chance of a direct hit all said and done...

 

[dmention7]

I still don't agree that means Tom's vote should be disregarded. If scum does a good job of leading the discussion and is the most vocal in their "investigation" it's very likely that some more passive Town would fall in line behind them. The majority vote means one thing as far as I'm concerned: It tells you who to vote for if a lynch (any lynch) is your primary goal.

 

[mndsm]

Good points Eddy... and I agree.

Thom does not seem to be yielding or banding together with the other town, so we shouldn't consider his vote, for end of day 2.

Where will your vote lay Eddy? Picklz?

This is for two reasons. A- the more I read into it, and the more pissy eddy gets with me over how I react to his trying to rule the mob, the less likely I am to want to follow the rule. B- I'm a stubborn sumbitch.

 

[Z-licious]

As far as "do I know how to play" Damn right I do. I know full well that it is towns job to ferret out scum. I also know that it's towns job to convince other town they're right as to have a vote for scum.

Yes, because sitting back and being low-key works great for town. Why don't we al just do that? Also, we should all listen to the guy who's been all quiet because clearly he's got it all figure out.

As far as 24 hours- That was in reference to you trying to get a vote pulled and someone on the block before yesterday. You WANTED town to lose an entire day.

When did I say we should lynch 24 hours before? I said come to a consensus so when it comes time to vote we wouldn't be fumbling around and lead to another no lynch.

 

[mndsm]

When did I say we should lynch 24 hours before? I said come to a consensus so when it comes time to vote we wouldn't be fumbling around and lead to another no lynch.

Yeah. I know, let's come to a consensus! Well, hell, as long as we all agree, let's go ahead and vote, get it out of the way.I can't POSSIBLY see that scenario playing out... /sarcasm


MOD EDIT: I fixed Tom's quote tag above...

 

[Z-licious]

You're also going out on a limb there with your use of the words "prove" and "disprove". Of fucking course nothing proves or disproves anything

I used the word disprove for lack of a better word off the top of my head. Replace with the opposite of support. Unsupport? Dissupport?

It's a fairly straightforward conclusion that pushing to lynch a player who turns out to be town paints you as suspicious. How and why the hell would you deny that?

Oh is it? This kind of thinking only discourages people from pointing out scummy posts. "I better not reveal these scummy posts against X because if he actually turns out to be town then I'm gonna look like scum!" If you think something looks scummy you should report it to the group.

 

[Workdawg]

c:

Current Vote Count (2.5)

Picklz [0]
Tom [0]
Nate [1] - Jay
AJ [0]
Jay [0]
Andy [0]
Eddy [1] - Tom
Josh [3] - Picklz, AJ, Eddy

Not Voting [3] - Josh, Nate, Andy

With 8 players alive, 5 votes are needed to lynch!

Deadline to vote: 10/5, 9pm.

T-9 hours!

 

[mndsm]

Oh is it? This kind of thinking only discourages people from pointing out scummy posts. "I better not reveal these scummy posts against X because if he actually turns out to be town then I'm gonna look like scum!" If you think something looks scummy you should report it to the group.

And totally NOT use it as a scum player to misdirect everything, subtly put yourself in a defacto leader role, rally a "consensus" a day early, and try and drop the hammer?

 

[Z-licious]

Yeah. I know, let's come to a consensus! Well, hell, as long as we all agree, let's go ahead and vote, get it out of the way.I can't POSSIBLY see that scenario playing out... /sarcasm

I still don't see why you're so adamant on squeaking out every possible hour when you didn't ask any questions for 3 whole days! All of a sudden you wanna be Mr. investigator when we need to be lynching? Wait guys, just a few more hours of investigation. Oh, no ones around to vote anymore? Oh well, too bad. No lynch again. Did you forget it's Friday night? I'm sure all of us are going to be sitting around waiting to investigate and vote tonight. I can tell you personally that I will not be available much, if at all. I haven't seen my nephews in 2 years and I'm not gonna sit around squabbling with you guys for being indecisive instead of spending time with them. We've had several days for investigation and you want to do it now? Sorry, you missed your time.