Mafia 4 - Night 2, Deadline 10/7 9pm

[Z-licious]

And totally NOT use it as a scum player to misdirect everything, subtly put yourself in a defacto leader role, rally a "consensus" a day early, and try and drop the hammer?

You wanna bring some supporting evidence that my actions are scummy or are you just or are you just trying to make me look bad? Couldn't that also be classified as fear mongering?

 

[mndsm]

I missed nothing. Not my fault your life is all up in your grill. You don't get to take time away from me for shi.

 

[Z-licious]

I missed nothing. Not my fault your life is all up in your grill. You don't get to take time away from me for shi.

I didn't take any time away from you. You had all the time in the world and didn't use it. Remember those 3 days where you didn't ask any questions? I do.

 

[mndsm]

You wanna bring some supporting evidence that my actions are scummy or are you just or are you just trying to make me look bad? Couldn't that also be classified as fear mongering?

Says the guy that came up with the plan for everyone to agree to who to vote on a day early, and CONTINUES to tell me I can't use my time as I see fit, over the FEAR that there might be an NL on day 2.

 

[Z-licious]

Says the guy that came up with the plan for everyone to agree to who to vote on a day early, and CONTINUES to tell me I can't use my time as I see fit, over the FEAR that there might be an NL on day 2.

Again you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say we had to vote a day early. I said we should come to a consensus around 9PM thursday, 24 hours before the deadline. Notice how I myself didn't vote until this morning?

 

[mndsm]

I didn't take any time away from you. You had all the time in the world and didn't use it. Remember those 3 days where you didn't ask any questions? I do.

READ BETTER. I did not say you TOOK time from me. See the little part where I said I missed nothing? I missed NOTHING. Just because one isn't constantly poking the bear, does not mean they're not paying attention, or playing Borderlands 2 for 10 hours at a time. Observation is a large part of this game. And sometimes, the best observations can be made while saying nothing at all, because instead of constantly trying to think one move ahead of your opponent, you're watching them- to see what they do, learn their tells as it were. Ever see the movie Maverick? James Garner, Mel Gibson? Pretty funny. There's a scene in the beginning of the movie where he sits at a card table, and proceeds to lose his ass for an hour. Seemingly not paying attention to what's going on in front of him. That's because he's not concerned with himself. He's concerned with learning how the other players operate, so he can better tailor his strategy to them. Same reason football teams watch tapes of their opponents. Now the difference here is, no one is openly named my opponent. So what I have to do is glean information based on how a player reacts to his environment, vs how someone might react as my opponent. Now if I were my opponent, I'd want everyone thinking someone was scummy too. Because if they're town, then my opponent wins. Goes right back to trying to rally people at your feet for a vote. Fear monger them (See how that works? ) into NEEDING TO VOTE NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE HOLY SHIT WERE GONNA NL. Everyone agrees to that. Step one is complete. Step 2, find a patsy to take the hit. Almost worked with Nate. Might be working with swanny. Step 3, convince everyone that they should vote for the patsy, as well. See the results of Step 2. Step 4 ???? Step 5, Scum profits! Funny how that works out, and funny, that's conveniently the EXACT PLAN YOU HAD.

Then ol Tom comes along, and starts pushing the buttons you don't want him to push. WHY? Because maybe he's finally seen the tell. You get all angry at the fact that I'm clearly trying to monkey with your plan, and get ultra attacky....but don't vote for me? Face it Eddy, you could probably convince enough people here to take me down. BUT-that'd make you look awful scummy flipping a vote within the last day of the game after pushing swanny so hard towards the gallows. Hell, you were probably gassing up the Z to drive him there, and had the executioners hood freshly washed and smelling nice! But nope, can't swing a vote for me, because even IF you did convince everyone else that was still town to vote for me, that would put you right in the middle of the bullseye, now wouldn't it?

 

[mndsm]

Again you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say we had to vote a day early. I said we should come to a consensus around 9PM thursday, 24 hours before the deadline. Notice how I myself didn't vote until this morning?

Yeah, you didn't vote because a "Come on guise, lets vote someone off the island" game with you as the opening vote after a stir like that would have been entirely too obvious. I bet you would have voted earlier if the votes were there to push swanny close enough to get him dead a day early.

 

[dmention7]

You're completely missing the point Eddy. Tom is calling into question your push to arrive a de facto lynch vote 24 hours ahead of the deadline. Stop with the strawman argument that he is still currently pushing to delay the vote right now.

 

[niterydr]

At this point I think the scum have already voted for me. I am going to run the risk here and if someone puts the nail in the coffin quickly, we'll have a very scummy indication or someone that isn't playing right.

Vote: Josh

 

[WhiteSpy9]

I'm sorry, but I totally do not understand how this would help town.

At this point I think the scum have already voted for me. I am going to run the risk here and if someone puts the nail in the coffin quickly, we'll have a very scummy indication or someone that isn't playing right.

Vote: Josh

 

[dmention7]

Agreed. If you're town, then you're basically guaranteeing 2 more town deaths today. If you're scum.... I don't even know what to think. Hail Mary play?

 

[dmention7]

If Josh is scum, then he is either going to get lynched, or else the person who unvotes for him the quickest will be perceived as Town. The only way this makes sense from the Josh-scum theory is that the person who unvotes first is actually scum, and this is all a calculated risk.

 

[niterydr]

I have to say if we are looking at either a Josh/Tom or Josh/Nate scum combo, or even Josh/Andy, this back and forth, and their ability to change a vote is brilliant. At this rate they look like they have done their job, controlled the vote so that there is 100% NO chance scum dies day two and they pick one of us off to likely lead where the discussion of day threee goes, setting up another one of us to likely look really bad depending who they knife.

If town votes we at least have a 13% chance of a direct hit all said and done...

Interesting theory as none of the three referenced with me have voted against me.

c:

Current Vote Count (2.5)

Picklz [0]
Tom [0]
Nate [1] - Jay
AJ [0]
Jay [0]
Andy [0]
Eddy [1] - Tom
Josh [3] - Picklz, AJ, Eddy

Not Voting [3] - Josh, Nate, Andy

With 8 players alive, 5 votes are needed to lynch!

Deadline to vote: 10/5, 9pm.

T-9 hours!

I'm sorry, but I totally do not understand how this would help town.

Look at what AJ referenced in his post and look at the vote? He is implying that those not voting for me must be my scum brothern.
Townie would realize that I am townie (because they know they are townie) and unvote me
A scum would quickly sink the final lynche vote to get rid of me, but it would show them guilty pretty quick
A clever scum could unvote me as to try to "band together" but I am more and more firm in my belief that 1 if not 2 scum are listed in the "voted against" me thread to try to get a voting bandwagon.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

That makes some sense to me now, along w/ Jay's post.

You do make some good points about AJs "calculations"

Interesting theory as none of the three referenced with me have voted against me.




Look at what AJ referenced in his post and look at the vote? He is implying that those not voting for me must be my scum brothern.
Townie would realize that I am townie (because they know they are townie) and unvote me
A scum would quickly sink the final lynche vote to get rid of me, but it would show them guilty pretty quick
A clever scum could unvote me as to try to "band together" but I am more and more firm in my belief that 1 if not 2 scum are listed in the "voted against" me thread to try to get a voting bandwagon.

 

[niterydr]

Agreed. If you're town, then you're basically guaranteeing 2 more town deaths today. If you're scum.... I don't even know what to think. Hail Mary play?

Hail mary of sorts. This is the only way I can think of flushing scum out and making progress.
If 2 scum vote for me and 2 townies (as I am a townie) we have a list of 4 suspects
If 1 scum votes for me and 3 townies (as I am a townie) we have a list of 4 suspects and 3 confused townie, hopefully this will help the group further flush out the scum
If 0 scum vote for me and watch 4 townies lynch me (and me as the final vote) then the townie are fubar as we really have no clue, nor will figure this out.

Some call it a hail mary, I call it laying it out there.

 

[mndsm]

At this point I think the scum have already voted for me. I am going to run the risk here and if someone puts the nail in the coffin quickly, we'll have a very scummy indication or someone that isn't playing right.

Vote: Josh

PRoblem is IMO- the most likely scum out there is supposedly AFK for the day, so his vote will stand. So either that means you're WITH him, willing to take the hit, because if scum wins, scum wins...... or I don't know.

 

[niterydr]

PRoblem is IMO- the most likely scum out there is supposedly AFK for the day, so his vote will stand. So either that means you're WITH him, willing to take the hit, because if scum wins, scum wins...... or I don't know.

You must be thinking Eddie, and frankly I am leaning with you on that. However, I highly doubt scum can get enough rally to win with only one player (scum) left as this group is full of thinkers.
My parring is Eddie/AJ currently for scum.

 

[dmention7]

Josh, the part I still do not follow is that all of your scenarios rely on you being Town. If you are scum, I fail to see how any of that becomes relevant.

 

[AJ]

I didn't look at the voting, to me that's kinda worthless with all the unvoteing, just look at what jay addmitted to using his vote on me for. If that was the truth and it was to flush out someone who might bandwagon then it's a wasted vote to use in "calculations"....

I am pairing my thoughts (and they are nothing more than putting my thoughts out there) on discussion.

 

[niterydr]

Josh, the part I still do not follow is that all of your scenarios rely on you being Town. If you are scum, I fail to see how any of that becomes relevant.

We all know who we are, correct?
If a townie votes for me, they feel that I am scum. Be it that I poorly defend myself as a townie, or the scum have done a good job painting the portrait of me as scum, I "earn" that vote. However the townie should think long and hard before the cast one of their own off the island.

Essentially this is me drawing a line in the sand to try to get some clarity to the games direction. Who do you feel is scum Jay?