Mafia 4 - Night 2, Deadline 10/7 9pm

[Picklz]

It's inconvenient also because he won't be able to respond or defend himself in any manor, and I think it makes sense that he's going to do as much as he can (start shit as you put it) between now and then to hopefully have an idea of who to vote for. Obviously he looses out on everything we uncover between now and then, but at least he's trying (seemingly anyway). He also didn't advocate we all vote or come to a decision by Tuesday, just that he needed to.

Tom I'm seriously getting concerned about you again because you seem to be trying to pick out 'scum' items and ignore any other items or other side to these arguments, it's feeling more and more like diversion vs actual scum hunting.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

unvote nate
vote aj

 

[AJ]

Here we go, just two more votes needed and 2 more townies die. Wow that seemed to work out perfect for scum. The obvious is right there and some of you guys, at least those who I think are town with me, are really over thinking the basics here on these actions and quick reactions by Andy and Tom. I've been called out by EVERY person here, while some people are seriously avoiding drawing attention to others. Now knowing that Josh was town, I know what he was feeling...

 

[Picklz]

I'm rather curious as to why people, very specifically Andy, but to a point Tom and some others - are no longer questioning Nate at all, it seemed it was a Tossup between him and Josh Day 2, and now hardly anyone but myself has questioned him.

Andy once again seems to have voted based on Momentum, without much (any?) explanation, which has been a pattern and concerns me a bit.

That said - I'm almost feeling less like Nate is Scum than I was on D2, based on what happend D1, N1, D2 and N2 Andy, AJ, and Tom would be my picks for Scum. If Jay is scum I owe him a Beer for how well he's been playing this game. I really feel like Andy keeps his vote where the momentum is or appears to be going so if I HAD to vote right now I think that's probably where I'd go, but hopefully we can clear some things up in the next few days.

 

[Workdawg]

Current Vote Count (3.1)

Picklz [0]
Tom [0]
Nate [0]
AJ [2] - Tom, Andy
Jay [0]
Andy [2] - Nate, AJ

Not Voting [2] - Picklz, Jay

With 6 players alive, 4 votes are needed to lynch!

Deadline to vote: 10/14, 9pm.

 

[Picklz]

Let's see what happens here:

Vote: Andy

 

[mndsm]

Oooooooh. risky play. we're one vote from a lynch. Seems like a no-brainer if one of the two others are scum, Andy turns town, dies, aaaaand we go to night. Scum picks the quick NK, scum wins!

 

[AJ]

Or Andy is scum as I, and some others thought, and we finally get one of them in the vote. For someone to loop Andy and Me together as town makes no sense, why would I vote for him and him vote for me. In fact, he changed his vote to add another to me after I had gone after him first (which is a continuation of my day 2 thoughts).

 

[mndsm]

Scum would be retarded to vote to lynch andy right now, if he was scum. They're literally one town death away from the game. because if Andy is town, we're down to 3 town, two scum. If we go to night at those numbers, Scum wins, because we go to d4 with two scum, and two town. Scum wins because there is no way Town can take the majority.

 

[AJ]

Tom I get the feeling you just don't want Andy to get hit cause you know we are right, he's scum. By us finally getting a kill we make sure that day 4 is down 1 scum, keeping odds in our favor, and you know damn well if we hit scum with Andy and you're trying to protect him your cover is blown.

You would not be pushing as hard as you are if I was wrong.

 

[mndsm]

You know what you can do to stop it, and prove me wrong- vote for me! Hell, rally the troops around me and send me to the gallows. Like I said. COME. AT. ME. BRO. If Andy's scum, you bet your ass I want him dead. But i'm not putting the nail in the coffin. WHY? Because I want to see what scum does. No vote, scum is still out there. Vote? Game over.

 

[Big Nate]

Let's see what happens here:

Vote: Andy

Lots of action here. Well played on this one Picklz.

 

[Picklz]

Unvote: Andy

Twas an interesting experiment but A) I'm not 100% convinced Andy should be our vote and B) We have many days left I'd like to avoid an exceedingly early lynch if possible.

 

[mndsm]

Didja learn anything useful?

 

[AJ]

Guys, do we got a cop or doc? Can we ask that or talk about that? I'm just a VT, but I'm curious if we have a cop that looked into anyone. That would be great info to know!

 

[Big Nate]

I don't think we do. I thought if there was that would come out in Dan's blurbs between day and night.

On that note I am I am also just a Vanilla Townie.

 

[AJ]

I was thinking it would come out to unless someone just didn't get their actions in or forgot. At minimum a cop would have been nice.

 

[mndsm]

The problem with people revealing their roles flat out, it makes them an immediate target for Scum, as the only thing scum knows is whether or not someone is town, not what roles exist.

 

[Workdawg]

Nothing I say would ever reveal the presence of a role (as far as doctor/cop are concerned).

IF a cop investigated someone, only they would be privy to the results and there would be no mention of that in the flavor text.
IF a doc successfully protected someone, I would not directly SAY that, though no one would die over night. Also, it's worth noting here that night kills are NOT compulsory, so if no one dies over night, it is still possible that the scum simply chose not to kill; rather than a doc saving someone.

As an example of a doctor save (or scum no-kill), I would just write something along the lines of:

"The town gathers in the morning and everyone is still alive."

 

[Picklz]

I feel one of three scenario's exist, either A) We don't have a cop that is currently alive, B) They have investigated all townies up to this point (likely dead ones) or C) We have a cop but he has been role-blocked.

My reasoning for this is as follows - if we had a cop that had investigated a scum alive, he would be smart to just come out and say it at this point and we kill one of the two scum, increasing our odd's of winning. If the cop has investigated all Townies that ARENT in danger of being lynched he would be smart to stay quiet, and likewise if the cop has been roleblocked and hasn't learned anything, makes no sense to pipe up.