Mafia 4 - Night 2, Deadline 10/7 9pm

[AJ]

Andy with the simple question again and the silent monest is now Swanny.... god dammit my mind hurts. Eddy being tossed into this does create a hinderance but I don't know if it wouldn't be a good though that he is one of the scum players which would make sense if Kris was, and was not playing often enough, it's a key role to need someone around for vs being a regular townie...

 

[Picklz]

Honestly Eddy, I am voting for you, but because of the actions of Kris and Nate, not because of your actions (which amount to zero so far). I feel there is a chance KrisEddy could be scum, and if that hypothesis turns out to be false, I find it even more likely that Nate is scum, as discussed in a previous vote. Also remember Eddy a vote has to be BOLD for it to count.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

That very well might be true Picklz.... however, I feel we have more to go off of for voting Nate, than Kris.
Last we discussed this, you seemed to have agreed (and so did I) with Kris explaining why he said he was scum.

What has changed and why do you feel so strongly now that KrisEddy is scum?
You mention it is actions of both Nate and Kris.... how do Nate's actions contribute more to Kris being scum... than Nate himself?

 

[Z-licious]

Honestly Eddy, I am voting for you, but because of the actions of Kris and Nate, not because of your actions (which amount to zero so far). I feel there is a chance KrisEddy could be scum, and if that hypothesis turns out to be false, I find it even more likely that Nate is scum, as discussed in a previous vote. Also remember Eddy a vote has to be BOLD for it to count.

Whoa, I just got into this game. While Kris' actions should be considered, they should not be carried over to me. I can't defend anything Kris said because I don't know what his motivation was. I am a new player with the same role as Kris, I am not Kris. As far as I'm concerned votes against me right now are unwarranted.

 

[Picklz]

That's Fair Andy - And I am still very suspect of Nate. I voted KrisEddy first off to see how Eddy would react, and second to see what others would do / say. As I said before if Nate is right, and KrisEddy is scum, well there we go we lynched a scum, if he's wrong I feel even MORE than Nate is scum trying to direct us to lynch a townie. I guess Voting Nate would maybe be the logical option since I have a stronger feeling Nate is scum than KrisEddy.

Unvote - Eddy

We shall see how Eddy plays. Eddy what do you think about the actions of Day 1 and JT getting Night Killed? Thoughts? Theories?

 

[Picklz]

Whoa, I just got into this game. While Kris' actions should be considered, they should not be carried over to me. I can't defend anything Kris said because I don't know what his motivation was. I am a new player with the same role as Kris, I am not Kris. As far as I'm concerned votes against me right now are unwarranted.

Votes against your character are fully warranted if a player feels you are scum, until you convince them otherwise, you may be new to the game but your 'character' and role is not.

 

[Big Nate]

I'm still reading through the thread, but why would I have to provide a reaction to your vote with no basis. You're not attacking me so there's nothing to defend against. What's more concerning is Nate's bandwagon vote after Picklz voted for me. Also with 0 reasoning behind it.

That's Fair Andy - And I am still very suspect of Nate. I voted KrisEddy first off to see how Eddy would react, and second to see what others would do / say. As I said before if Nate is right, and KrisEddy is scum, well there we go we lynched a scum, if he's wrong I feel even MORE than Nate is scum trying to direct us to lynch a townie. I guess Voting Nate would maybe be the logical option since I have a stronger feeling Nate is scum than KrisEddy.

Unvote - Eddy

We shall see how Eddy plays. Eddy what do you think about the actions of Day 1 and JT getting Night Killed? Thoughts? Theories?

Why the hard push for me being scum?

I have only posted some theories nothing scummy.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

Yes, I was hoping that KrisEddy vote would stir up some more conversation, but no one seemed to care except Eddy.

Good questions for Eddy, should get the ball rolling.

VOTE NATE

My actions seem to be questioned at times due to "bandwagoning".
I'm taking the lead this time and standing behind my last vote before night one, for Nate.

That's Fair Andy - And I am still very suspect of Nate. I voted KrisEddy first off to see how Eddy would react, and second to see what others would do / say. As I said before if Nate is right, and KrisEddy is scum, well there we go we lynched a scum, if he's wrong I feel even MORE than Nate is scum trying to direct us to lynch a townie. I guess Voting Nate would maybe be the logical option since I have a stronger feeling Nate is scum than KrisEddy.

Unvote - Eddy

We shall see how Eddy plays. Eddy what do you think about the actions of Day 1 and JT getting Night Killed? Thoughts? Theories?

 

[Z-licious]

OK, I'm at the end of Day 1. Thoughts so far? This is exactly the reason why, in game 2, I pushed for a consensus to be made with about 24 hours left on the clock before nightfall. People are not on all the time, especially on this forum which is evident by activity levels, or lack thereof, of some players. Trying to come to a concensus with only a few hours left can easily lead to a no lynch if you cannot get the few people online and active in the game to agree. Going forward, I suggest we try to come to a concensus around the same time as that 24 hr countdown starts. While we don't have to hammer the vote then, we should mostly be agreed that X person is going to be our lynch candidate unless more info arises that changes our minds.

Reeeeeeeeally. That seems to be that Nate.... is one vote from a hammer. And me NOT believing Nate is a scum, I shall not vote for him. Someone else is gonna have to hammer this dude, It isn't gonna be me.

Tom, what has Nate said that would lead you to believe without a doubt that he is not scum? This inaction likely caused the no-lynch that occured which we have agreed is bad for town.

Nate I think I'm leaning towards Scum more than anyone with his statement that he's made his vote, isn't switching, and won't be responsible for anything that happens, so I am leaving my vote with him for Day 1 unless someone can make an excellent argument otherwise.

I have to agree with this viewpoint so far. Nate's votes have seemed very half hearted with little reasoning behind them. Saying he's made his vote and isn't switching and is not responsible is also a very easy cop-out. If you are truly town you have to be flexible and willing to work with the team to try to find scum. You can't just sit back and say, "This is my vote, take it or leave it. It's up to the rest of you to follow me lead or live with your actions, it's out of my hands now". We are all in this together, at least those of us who are town, and we have to work together or we will get nowhere, like the no-lynch we had. You can't get a hit if you don't even swing the bat.

 

[Z-licious]

We shall see how Eddy plays. Eddy what do you think about the actions of Day 1 and JT getting Night Killed? Thoughts? Theories?

That's an easy one. If I were scum, I would have killed Tom or JT also. These two were going at it pretty heavy on day 1 and killing one will cast suspicion on the other. If neither of the 2 are scum, that's a free kill for scum, and they turn attention toward another town. Now JT or Tom to kill, that's a harder one. I feel that tom had more suspicion on him than JT which makes it easier to rally support against Tom if JT were killed, than vice versa.

By my rational it looks like I am absolving Tom of guilt in my mind, but that is far from the case. A 2nd, more sinister scenario involves Tom actually being scum and counting on the fact that someone would come to the conclusion that I just stated. A bit of reverse-reverse psychology. Kill your enemy, say it was an obvious frame job, because you would never be so stupid as to kill your enemy and draw attention to yourself.

 

[Big Nate]

I have to agree with this viewpoint so far. Nate's votes have seemed very half hearted with little reasoning behind them. Saying he's made his vote and isn't switching and is not responsible is also a very easy cop-out. If you are truly town you have to be flexible and willing to work with the team to try to find scum. You can't just sit back and say, "This is my vote, take it or leave it. It's up to the rest of you to follow me lead or live with your actions, it's out of my hands now". We are all in this together, at least those of us who are town, and we have to work together or we will get nowhere, like the no-lynch we had. You can't get a hit if you don't even swing the bat.

How is my vote for a person not willing to be flexible? I was lobbying for other to follow my lead. My vote would not have helped the town by voting for myself and letting the town lose two members.

I think that what is happening here is Eddy trying to lobby for my lynching. This would be very bad for town as they would lose a member.

at least Andy is starting out with his pitchfork pointed right at me. Picklz would be fine to lynch meas well so now based on those guys being town the two scum can seal the deal.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

Very good point right here....

Tom, what has Nate said that would lead you to believe without a doubt that he is not scum? This inaction likely caused the no-lynch that occured which we have agreed is bad for town.

 

[Z-licious]

How is my vote for a person not willing to be flexible? I was lobbying for other to follow my lead. My vote would not have helped the town by voting for myself and letting the town lose two members.

I have my vote cast and will not hold out. lynch or no lynch at this point i am not the deciding factor.

This is not being flexible.

 

[Big Nate]

As I read that (and typed it) it is nothing but truth. I will not vote for me thus not the deciding vote.

 

[Z-licious]

As I read that (and typed it) it is nothing but truth. I will not vote for me thus not the deciding vote.

That statement doesn't say you are not voting for yourself, that goes without saying. Nobody is voting for themself.

That statement says you have cast your vote and the decision is out of your hands now.

 

[Picklz]

But Nate, you didn't say you won't vote for yourself, you basically said (long before people started voting for you) that you have made your vote, you won't change it and won't be the deciding factor on anything.

 

[Big Nate]

Well maybe i would have flexed but not for myself.


So what I said was to lobby people for my position. Jt and Thom had a big fight going but Kris/Eddy sat back just doing shit.

My thereoy will still stand with Kris/Eddy and Andy has moved up to second.

This will stand until i see otherwise.

 

[Z-licious]

But Nate, you didn't say you won't vote for yourself, you basically said (long before people started voting for you) that you have made your vote, you won't change it and won't be the deciding factor on anything.

Exactly. At the point in time of this post from you:

I have my vote cast and will not hold out. lynch or no lynch at this point i am not the deciding factor.

This was the vote count:

Current Vote Count (1.6)

JT [1] - Tom
Picklz [0]
Tom [0]
Nate [1] - Kris
AJ [0]
Jay [0]
Andy [0]
Kris [1] - Nate
Josh [0]

How would you think that you would be the deciding vote from that?

 

[Big Nate]

No

 

[Z-licious]

Uh, I didn't ask a yes/no question.