Mafia game 5 - GAME IS ON!

[Big Nate]

Ben and Andy both band wagoned pretty fast there.

I think both scum are voting.

That being said I think Dan and Ben are scum.

Reasoning.
Dan was voting for Andy: making Andy a bandwagon guy not scum.
Ben was voting for Picklz who is doing a very good job of scum hunting.
and now Andy Dan and Ben are voting for me.

I am not scum and like i said above My vote will stay with Ben.

 

[mndsm]

Andy- to answer your question, I pulled my vote from ben on the off chance that scum would swing in and hammer, assuming ben isn't scum. We have til halloween to vote, I want all the time possible.

 

[Workdawg]

Look at this. No matter how I play I am suspect.
-snip-

You know, no one really suspected you much today, at least not that I remember. And yesterday, you were just a patsy. Kris OMGUS'd you and Picklz threw down some BS to get a wagon going on you just to try and force a lynch at the end.

You really need to stop twisting what i say or glossing over key words in my posts in an effort to single me out. This is exactly why i said "trying too hard." It's been a recurring theme since Day 1.
-snip-

Ironically, this is NOT trying to hard. This is probably slightly under par for any kind of serious game. I suppose it's expecting a lot from a bunch of newer players to keep pace with me, and it's extra hard when not all of them are really taking it seriously... but yeah. Consider the fact that until I said something, Nate was gunna float through the day with almost no posts and no one questioned him. That'd probably be my strategy if I were scum.

Ben and Andy both band wagoned pretty fast there.

I think both scum are voting.

That being said I think Dan and Ben are scum.

Reasoning.
Dan was voting for Andy: making Andy a bandwagon guy not scum.
Ben was voting for Picklz who is doing a very good job of scum hunting.
and now Andy Dan and Ben are voting for me.

I am not scum and like i said above My vote will stay with Ben.

I also noticed that Andy jumped bandwagons pretty quickly. I honestly don't know what makes you think I'm scum, but hey. How does my voting for Andy make him not scum exactly? In any case, here is an alternate scenarion for you.

Andy/Ben scum team? Josh called out Andy for not voting. Andy accepts the challenge and votes for Ben knowing that town doesn't want to end the day early, and he is the other scum, so scum aren't gunna hammer him.

The heat turns on Andy, Ben avoids the wagon, sticking to his "try to hard" guns.

Then all the sudden an opportunity opens up and they jump no any non-scum wagon just to try and get the heat off each other.

Look at the vote count, votes have been on either of them for a while now...

/conjecture

 

[Picklz]

Look at this. No matter how I play I am suspect.


Well Ben is scum and my vote is set.

We're back to this type of mentality again from the first game, laying your vote out and not really hunting scum or being open to change. It didn't work out very well then, just saying. Perhaps you are trying to go back to old ways though after getting called out on your playstyle change, not sure.

 

[Z-licious]

Current vote count (11/29 5:47 PM)

Picklz [0]
Dan [0]
Tom [0]
Nate [3] - Dan, Ben, Andy
Andy [1] - Josh
Josh [0]
Ben [2] - Nate, Picklz

Not Voting [1] - Tom

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are needed to lynch!

Deadline to vote: 10/31, 9pm.

 

[Picklz]

So I just re-read the entire thread from post #1 based on the activities of tonight - A couple of things kind of jumped out to me this time around -

JT Didn't post all that much in relation to most of the other players - he didn't really lean on anyone all that hard (that I could see) and kind of poked at a few different people with no big heated back and forth with any one person.

JT Obviously Died.

It was suggested by Ben that if he were scum, Dan would have been dead after night 1. It was then brought up by Tom that if Dan had died attention likely would have went right to Ben and he voted for someone else in order to misdirect attention. Ben says he isn't that smart but I'm not sure I buy that. If we assume for a moment Ben IS scum, I think there are safer targets than JT he could have went after, but of those that had the highest potential to out Scum on subsequent days JT was probably the safest in my eyes (vs Dan or Myself for instance).

Fast forward to this afternoon and Dan sends a vote out for Nate suggesting he's very suspicious of him..shortly after Dan makes a vote for Nate - In my estimation it's likely he made that vote while Ben was writing his posts about being suspicious of Dan and Myself (the two people that are probably trying to scum hunt the most or certainly in the top 3-4) with an honorable mention to Nate just for not being overly active.

He see's a Dan vote for Nate, see's the opportunity to shift attention away from himself (maybe Andy as well? not sure) and Cast's his vote for Nate. Andy tries to delay his vote but eventually just throws it on (probably better to be #3 than a hammer vote eh?). Good opportunity to maybe both survive another Day w/ a Townie Lynch, and get another night kill.

Like Dan's post, LOTS of assumptions / conjecture here but it's painting a picture I'm not a big fan of. My vote is sticking with Ben for the time being.

 

[Big Nate]

We're back to this type of mentality again from the first game, laying your vote out and not really hunting scum or being open to change. It didn't work out very well then, just saying. Perhaps you are trying to go back to old ways though after getting called out on your playstyle change, not sure.

No I gave my reasoning in the next post. I am scum hunting but with willy scum that can twist words and make me look like scum I am not going to OMG WALL OF TEXT AND QUOTES everyone.

 

[Workdawg]

No I gave my reasoning in the next post. I am scum hunting but with willy scum that can twist words and make me look like scum I am not going to OMG WALL OF TEXT AND QUOTES everyone.

Twisting words and misrepresenting what you say is scummy on their part. If your meaning is genuinely town, you should have nothing to worry about.

Also. Picklz Town points ++

 

[concealer404]

Ironically, this is NOT trying to hard. This is probably slightly under par for any kind of serious game. I suppose it's expecting a lot from a bunch of newer players to keep pace with me, and it's extra hard when not all of them are really taking it seriously... but yeah. Consider the fact that until I said something, Nate was gunna float through the day with almost no posts and no one questioned him. That'd probably be my strategy if I were scum.

You've toned down a bit. Please note that what you quoted was addressing Picklz, and not you. It's my belief that he's been over-reacting since day one about the stupid ONE movie quote and the ONE picture. The fact that it still gets brought up almost daily when he's involved in discussion is in fact, trying too hard. That shit was soooooo yesterday.

 

[concealer404]

So I just re-read the entire thread from post #1 based on the activities of tonight - A couple of things kind of jumped out to me this time around -

JT Didn't post all that much in relation to most of the other players - he didn't really lean on anyone all that hard (that I could see) and kind of poked at a few different people with no big heated back and forth with any one person.

JT Obviously Died.

It was suggested by Ben that if he were scum, Dan would have been dead after night 1. It was then brought up by Tom that if Dan had died attention likely would have went right to Ben and he voted for someone else in order to misdirect attention. Ben says he isn't that smart but I'm not sure I buy that. If we assume for a moment Ben IS scum, I think there are safer targets than JT he could have went after, but of those that had the highest potential to out Scum on subsequent days JT was probably the safest in my eyes (vs Dan or Myself for instance).

Fast forward to this afternoon and Dan sends a vote out for Nate suggesting he's very suspicious of him..shortly after Dan makes a vote for Nate - In my estimation it's likely he made that vote while Ben was writing his posts about being suspicious of Dan and Myself (the two people that are probably trying to scum hunt the most or certainly in the top 3-4) with an honorable mention to Nate just for not being overly active.

He see's a Dan vote for Nate, see's the opportunity to shift attention away from himself (maybe Andy as well? not sure) and Cast's his vote for Nate. Andy tries to delay his vote but eventually just throws it on (probably better to be #3 than a hammer vote eh?). Good opportunity to maybe both survive another Day w/ a Townie Lynch, and get another night kill.

Like Dan's post, LOTS of assumptions / conjecture here but it's painting a picture I'm not a big fan of. My vote is sticking with Ben for the time being.

That's a sound theory, except that i didn't even read any posts in between my two posts. Dan did indeed make his first post while i was making the post that branded Nate as an honorable mention.

Then, exactly as i said in my next post, which was made IMMEDIATELY after, as an "edit," if you will... reading what i had typed in the first post made me realize that Nate is now the strongest candidate for scum.

Less bandwagon, less mis-direction, more coincidence.

 

[Picklz]

Right... so is the Town the Scum? Or is Simon Pegg and the building the Scum?

You've toned down a bit. Please note that what you quoted was addressing Picklz, and not you. It's my belief that he's been over-reacting since day one about the stupid ONE movie quote and the ONE picture. The fact that it still gets brought up almost daily when he's involved in discussion is in fact, trying too hard. That shit was soooooo yesterday.

Pointing out your trolling from the first 'Day' is not over reacting, the overall picture posting and discussion was multiple useless posts and I'm going to stand by that - also it was TWO pictures...more lies and deceit!

 

[WhiteSpy9]

So where do we go from here?

Nate is Lynch - 1.

 

[mndsm]

Personally, I don't know that Nate is the right target. It seems to me there was a lot of flip flop voting once he started hitting the limelight. Though he hasn't been too forthcoming with his defense.....

 

[concealer404]

Pointing out your trolling from the first 'Day' is not over reacting, the overall picture posting and discussion was multiple useless posts and I'm going to stand by that - also it was TWO pictures...more lies and deceit!

Philosoraptor goes with the discussion. Doesn't count. OBJECTION!

Pointing it out isn't over reacting, you're correct.

Pointing it out and bitching about it each and every real day is over reacting. Get over it.

 

[Picklz]

You keep bringing it up, I am just responding - almost as if you want to draw attention away from other arguments and JUST focus on the fact that your trolling is being called out repeatedly (and I'll admit it has) - because it's probably is the least damning of the points brought up against you.

I kind of agree with Tom right now, obviously I feel Ben is the right target with where my vote is at the moment - I'd be kind of torn between Andy and Nate as my second choice at the moment.

 

[Picklz]

Philosoraptor goes with the discussion. Doesn't count. OBJECTION!

Pointing it out isn't over reacting, you're correct.

Pointing it out and bitching about it each and every real day is over reacting. Get over it.

Yes goes with the discussion, about your movie quote bullshit :facepalm: I'm gonna play the Eddy card and call you dumb pretty soon.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

Do you think Nate is the right "enough" target to find out if he is scum?

My vote flip flopped, hoping we would get some more information and posting from Nate.
That isn't happening.... so my vote hasn't moved.

Personally, I don't know that Nate is the right target. It seems to me there was a lot of flip flop voting once he started hitting the limelight. Though he hasn't been too forthcoming with his defense.....

 

[concealer404]

You keep bringing it up, I am just responding - almost as if you want to draw attention away from other arguments and JUST focus on the fact that your trolling is being called out repeatedly (and I'll admit it has) - because it's probably is the least damning of the points brought up against you.

I kind of agree with Tom right now, obviously I feel Ben is the right target with where my vote is at the moment - I'd be kind of torn between Andy and Nate as my second choice at the moment.

You're not understanding what's happening here at all in terms of the quote or the picture of the reptilian that accompanied it. I'll move past that for the moment and focus only on how they've been brought up since.

Since then, the fact that i posted them has been brought up time and time again. NOT by me, but by you. (For example. I know others have as well, but you're the main "offender.") Then i react to it, because not reacting to it would just be twisted to be scummy.

Not once have i brought up the fact that i posted those things myself. Just as an example of what this would look like: "Hi guys! I posted these things!"
You've continually brought up the fact that i posted those things. Example: "Guys! Ben posted things!"

What we've moved on to is discussing the overblown reactions that you're having to it, NOT the fact that i actually posted them. THIS is what i'm bringing up, not what I did. Example: "Guys! Picklz is overreacting and hiding the fact that he has no real dirt on anyone!"

In my opinion, this stuff (As in the original postings.) is really the only damning point against me, and i think you're continuing to harp on it because you think it'll keep me on the defensive, and it's certainly good for earning "Town Points" from Dan, isn't it? Twist and ride Ben, receive brownie points while keeping the heat off of yourself.

I think you're only doing this because you feel threatened by me and you know that what i'm typing is the truth. The only logical way to combat it at this point is to keep distracting everyone by riding me.

 

[mndsm]

Do you think Nate is the right "enough" target to find out if he is scum?

My vote flip flopped, hoping we would get some more information and posting from Nate.
That isn't happening.... so my vote hasn't moved.

That's the problem- I'm not really sure on either case. The D1 lynch of AJ was a suicide, it was clear that he was going to be of no use whatsoever, so even though he was town, he had to go. D2, we're sort of running into the same situation, that is- it looks like Nate isn't going to be a lot of help. IDK if that's by choice, or change in playstyle, but he's seeming kinda worthless at the moment, town or not. The problem lies in the fact that he's really not "worthless" There's only 5 town left. There will only be 3 town left after this day- if Nate turns out to be one of them. That puts us at a large disadvantage for the last couple rounds. I don't really want that. Ben being scummy is quite likely IMO- but I'll be honest. The last couple pile votes on him bringing him to L-1, made me think he's not scum after all, and that there's a strong likelihood that scum was counting on a hammer vote from someone else to get it done early. Unfortunately, that points the finger right at you, Andy. Couple that with what you ADMITTED was a bandwagon vote for Nate, and your case isn't looking really strong either.

 

[Picklz]

Do you honestly believe the ++ Town points were because I brought up a movie quote or picture posting again?

Another example of trying to misdirect attention to that one (minor) argument that I've been making and away from any real arguments and points that are being brought up against you. Frankly I haven't been making that big a deal out of it and I don't know that anyone really cares all that much about it - it IS a fact that it happened - bringing it up on it's own isn't probably necessary anymore, but it should be considered as a tiny part of the whole picture and mentioned as such IMO, however I have a feeling if you stopped being so vocal in defending yourself about that one thing it would have died already.