Mafia game 5 - GAME IS ON!

[niterydr]

One thing to consider is how last game went. The most active players were town, not scum. The scum had it easy as they just stirred the pot. The real question is, did a scum get caught early (the AJ theory), or is the scum stirring the pot in hopes to frame a townie.

However a lynch needs to occur and as pointed out, scum should be the target, not information. This first "shot in the dark" gains valuable information as the scum, if not lynched, get to discuss post day 1 and then kill off a townie, thus reducing the town numbers.

Ben,

Your lack of understanding of how the game works I get as I played my first full game last game, and played once again and was dead to quickly to remember how it goes. Instead of beating around the bush, I'll say it. If there are 4 votes for AJ, will you drop the hammer?

 

[concealer404]

One thing to consider is how last game went. The most active players were town, not scum. The scum had it easy as they just stirred the pot. The real question is, did a scum get caught early (the AJ theory), or is the scum stirring the pot in hopes to frame a townie.

However a lynch needs to occur and as pointed out, scum should be the target, not information. This first "shot in the dark" gains valuable information as the scum, if not lynched, get to discuss post day 1 and then kill off a townie, thus reducing the town numbers.

Ben,

Your lack of understanding of how the game works I get as I played my first full game last game, and played once again and was dead to quickly to remember how it goes. Instead of beating around the bush, I'll say it. If there are 4 votes for AJ, will you drop the hammer?

Yep.

 

[Picklz]

Much as i believe AJ to be Town, i'll probably end up switching my vote to him anyways, because you gotta stay on the bandwagon to get anything done in Day 1.

I don't think you answered this yet - but WHO would you vote for other than AJ and Why? I can understand that there isn't a LOT of information to go on for voting for anyone, but who in your mind speaks more of scum and more importantly why. I think there have been multiple reasons brought up for the AJ support. I'm not 100% convinced AJ is scum, but I'm having problems coming up with enough evidence to support a vote elsewhere.

 

[Workdawg]

The problem is, i can't quite tell just yet which of the two you're doing.

I don't even know what you want me to answer, lol. Tell me what question you are talking about and I will answer.

 

[concealer404]

I don't think you answered this yet - but WHO would you vote for other than AJ and Why? I can understand that there isn't a LOT of information to go on for voting for anyone, but who in your mind speaks more of scum and more importantly why. I think there have been multiple reasons brought up for the AJ support. I'm not 100% convinced AJ is scum, but I'm having problems coming up with enough evidence to support a vote elsewhere.

I already voted for Dan.

Because nit-picky to the point of being scummy. Feels fake, like he's trying too hard to convince us that he's Town.

 

[concealer404]

So once again, we're back to the same question that i've asked multiple times in this thread with no answer:

What information, EXACTLY, are you guys looking for? You've ducked the question, as has JT. (Though maybe he just hasn't seen it yet.)

Unacceptable answers include:
1) "I don't know."
2) "Anything."
3) "Things you can find by over-analyzing and nit-picking."

If a formula cannot be supplied, or if examples cannot be supplied, then you're just going off of gut feelings on the first day, and looking to find small things that you can twist to your agenda. (Gut feeling.)

And that's fine, it's the first day. There's really nothing to go on. If it's a matter of just rationalizing the choice of your first sacrificial lamb, then say so. As you say, it's a team game, and if the one remaining player is town, then we all win.

I don't even know what you want me to answer, lol. Tell me what question you are talking about and I will answer.

I'll count this as asking for a third time. :lol:

 

[JohnnyT]

Did i not say that i had already voted for Dan?

You did, but he doesn't have much of a chance to get lynched D1 so the question was who would you vote for next to get someone lynched. You answered with AJ, even though you have a gut instinct he's town. So, who do you think is scum, besides Dan I guess (since your vote is on him right now)...?

You don't have to stay on the bandwagon - remember scum wants to blend in with town so they're more apt to be on it than someone's who's out in left field not acting scummy. I just think you and AJ are getting the most pressure right now simply because we don't have anything else to go off of, and other players are keeping pretty low key.

 

[concealer404]

You did, but he doesn't have much of a chance to get lynched D1 so the question was who would you vote for next to get someone lynched. You answered with AJ, even though you have a gut instinct he's town. So, who do you think is scum, besides Dan I guess (since your vote is on him right now)...?

You don't have to stay on the bandwagon - remember scum wants to blend in with town so they're more apt to be on it than someone's who's out in left field not acting scummy. I just think you and AJ are getting the most pressure right now simply because we don't have anything else to go off of, and other players are keeping pretty low key.

Dan is the only one i really have any sort of feeling about being scum.

The way you're wording it kindof says that doing anything BUT voting for AJ in D1 is pointless.

 

[Picklz]

I already voted for Dan.

Because nit-picky to the point of being scummy. Feels fake, like he's trying too hard to convince us that he's Town.

I'm going to just chock that up as not having much experience playing the game, hate to say it but that's the way Town wins - nit-picking, asking LOTS of questions, and being specific not just general questions/comments. Yes scum should try and do the same thing but town has to hope to catch them in a lie or mistake. The more active you are the more likely you are to eventually make a mistake. Not good for anyone, but potentially VERY bad for Scum.

Right now you're taking the same stance a few people took in the last game against Eddy, he's being Active/Nitpicking/Agressive so he MUST be Scum...WAT? Didn't work out so good last game. If you can point out some issues with the questions or answer's Dan has given I'll be all ears but thus-far I haven't read anything that makes me think he'sScum, and I think he's one of the top 3 contributers in terms of scum-hunting so far this game.

 

[AJ]

I don't think you answered this yet - but WHO would you vote for other than AJ and Why? I can understand that there isn't a LOT of information to go on for voting for anyone, but who in your mind speaks more of scum and more importantly why. I think there have been multiple reasons brought up for the AJ support. I'm not 100% convinced AJ is scum, but I'm having problems coming up with enough evidence to support a vote elsewhere.

Then give me your vote back, then you guys just need one more and once scum get's their other kill it's game on. Town will be into day two and I see the following happening...

I'm killed - win for scum
Scum kills someone entirely random, or Ben.

If Random, it leaves people sitll questioning ben a little bit, enough to twist things up enough to have him be the topic of conversation scum needs to not be in the spotlight. If Ben, it leaves town with nothing, unless they want to dive back into Nate. I'm 100% convined at least one person of Picklz, JT, or Dan is scum and is doing a fantastic job keeping 'juuuuuust enough' pointed my way, and having to work very little at it due to what Ben is doing.

my vote stands for myself for Day one, kill me off and see what happens. Or take a quick second and actually think about looking at other options...

 

[Picklz]

Then give me your vote back, then you guys just need one more and once scum get's their other kill it's game on. Town will be into day two and I see the following happening...

my vote stands for myself for Day one, kill me off and see what happens. Or take a quick second and actually think about looking at other options...

The fact of the matter is we have to lynch someone D1, you have given the most reason for a vote at this point (YO
UR actions, not what anyone else has said). I am 100% open to other suggestions for a vote, but I want something more than "I think", "I feel like", "my gut says" because all of that is just bullshit and we may as well draw a name out of a Hat.

AJ You claim to be town, I still don't understand why you're voting for yourself then rather than trying to find out who might be scum and get some momentum towards them. It makes no sense what-so-ever for you to vote for yourself.

I'm killed - win for scum
Scum kills someone entirely random, or Ben.

If Random, it leaves people sitll questioning ben a little bit, enough to twist things up enough to have him be the topic of conversation scum needs to not be in the spotlight. If Ben, it leaves town with nothing, unless they want to dive back into Nate. I'm 100% convined at least one person of Picklz, JT, or Dan is scum and is doing a fantastic job keeping 'juuuuuust enough' pointed my way, and having to work very little at it due to what Ben is doing

This is all random babbling again like last game. "Scum kills someone random, or scum kills Ben".. Really? NO WAI! lol

What makes you think JT Dan or Myself are scum? Because we're calling people out and actually trying to play the game? Or something else? Please be specific. These posts are a spitting image of last game, just spewing all kinds of random accusations and thoughts that aren't really supported by anything.

 

[Workdawg]

So, you're asking me what information I'm looking for? I felt like I answered that in my post here, and when I asked you if there was another question you just made a little jab at me. But if that is what you want and my answer was insufficient, then I will elaborate for you.

The answer to that question "exactly" is that I'm looking for the information about who is scum and who is town. Obviously that isn't going to happen though. Clearly scum aren't going to just come out and say "Hey, I'm scum so lynch me"... and that's about the only way we could know 100%. There isn't really any concrete information that we have to go on; as you've pointed out before.

As my previous post explained, I'm looking to gauge peoples actions to see whether they seem to genuinely scummy or not. Why did someone say what they said? Is there a reason a town player would do that? Generating RELEVANT discussion by nit-picking things gives us actions to analyze and try to make that determination. The more actions we have to analyze, the more accurate our analysis should be. Which SHOULD lead to finding scum. Of course none of the information we glean from our analysis is going to be perfect since the scum are trying to blend in, and no one is going to be able to analyze things perfectly... but all we can do is try.

Is that a satisfactory answer?

 

[concealer404]

I can sit back for awhile and see if you guys can function any better without me in the limelight for whatever reason.

 

[concealer404]

So, you're asking me what information I'm looking for? I felt like I answered that in my post here, and when I asked you if there was another question you just made a little jab at me. But if that is what you want and my answer was insufficient, then I will elaborate for you.

The answer to that question "exactly" is that I'm looking for the information about who is scum and who is town. Obviously that isn't going to happen though. Clearly scum aren't going to just come out and say "Hey, I'm scum so lynch me"... and that's about the only way we could know 100%. There isn't really any concrete information that we have to go on; as you've pointed out before.

As my previous post explained, I'm looking to gauge peoples actions to see whether they seem to genuinely scummy or not. Why did someone say what they said? Is there a reason a town player would do that? Generating RELEVANT discussion by nit-picking things gives us actions to analyze and try to make that determination. The more actions we have to analyze, the more accurate our analysis should be. Which SHOULD lead to finding scum. Of course none of the information we glean from our analysis is going to be perfect since the scum are trying to blend in, and no one is going to be able to analyze things perfectly... but all we can do is try.

Is that a satisfactory answer?

Apologies for jabbing, but i stared at that post for a bit and couldn't figure out how it possibly related to the post in which i had asked the question.

This answer is satisfactory in that it addresses my question, but doesn't really give me an answer to act on other than gut feeling.

 

[concealer404]

The fact of the matter is we have to lynch someone D1, you have given the most reason for a vote at this point (YO
UR actions, not what anyone else has said). I am 100% open to other suggestions for a vote, but I want something more than "I think", "I feel like", "my gut says" because all of that is just bullshit and we may as well draw a name out of a Hat.

That's about how i'm feeling at the moment, even taking into consideration all the "investigation" that's gone on thus far. That's all any of us have right now.

The thing is, there's no point in questioning AJ further, since he seems to be suggesting to lynch himself. Does it matter what his motives are at this point? No.

 

[JohnnyT]

Dan is the only one i really have any sort of feeling about being scum.

The way you're wording it kindof says that doing anything BUT voting for AJ in D1 is pointless.

Yet you just said you'd be the hammer vote.

Then give me your vote back, then you guys just need one more and once scum get's their other kill it's game on. Town will be into day two and I see the following happening...

I'm killed - win for scum
Scum kills someone entirely random, or Ben.

If Random, it leaves people sitll questioning ben a little bit, enough to twist things up enough to have him be the topic of conversation scum needs to not be in the spotlight. If Ben, it leaves town with nothing, unless they want to dive back into Nate. I'm 100% convined at least one person of Picklz, JT, or Dan is scum and is doing a fantastic job keeping 'juuuuuust enough' pointed my way, and having to work very little at it due to what Ben is doing.

my vote stands for myself for Day one, kill me off and see what happens. Or take a quick second and actually think about looking at other options...

ROFL AJ you just did the EXACT same thing as last game. You CONSTANTLY posted that either me or Tom was scum. Sure, we provided some bickering but it was all beneficial discussion, and NOW you're saying Dan, Picklz or I is scum? Why? Because we're hounding you? Because it seems we're in agreement with each other's posts so far? You tried to stir the pot, being scum, last game - trying to turn the tides on the most beneficial people for town to help scum hunt you. You're literally doing the EXACT same thing now. Critical mistake, sir.

Now, see this post you made:

]I don't see Dan as scum, he's putting far to much for detail and reasoning behind his posting this early in the game, and in my view, someone who's scum simply doesn't need (or want) to put that much of themselves out there. Maybe it's the wrong way to think, but if I was Dan and scum with that's come out, I wouldn't of gone after someone that hard if I wasn't a townie... He's fishing for someone to say the wrong thing, and it's working.

Herpaderp. What changed? He hasn't changed his playing style. YOU said the wrong thing, and now it WORKED.

If you can't come to some reasonable and convincing conclusion for my questions, my vote's on you. This is pretty convincing in my eyes.

 

[Workdawg]

If someone does something specific to make you feel one way or another, then I wouldn't really classify it as a gut feeling I guess. My vote for AJ is for a very specific reason. When you ask me why I think he's scum, I can point to one or more specific actions and say "This is why I think AJ is scum." I wouldn't really call it a gut feeling. Certainly it's still only a guess, but I can justify it, at least well enough for myself. If you can't really point to specific things that make you think someone is scum, then I'd call it a guy feeling.

I guess my advice is that while you do need to take into account a player's overall contributions to the game, you shouldn't discount things that make you feel like they could be scum.

 

[concealer404]

Yet you just said you'd be the hammer vote.

Yep. And?

I'm not disagreeing that voting for anyone but AJ at this point is stupid...

 

[AJ]

Saying "this is why you think xxx is scum" is the same thing as having a gut feeling... it's ALL ASSUPTION based, stirred from one initial post or two that people begin to question. Then people defend, give other "thoughts" and it's a trickle down effect from there...

I'm not rambling, didn't last game, and am not thins game.

My view of Dan from Town to one of the potential scum is easy, there is NO WAY a sucm member (at least one) doesn't become involved in the lynching a townie, especially one that comes off early as an easy target. So right now the most relevant posts with the most reason behind them I see are from JT, Picklz, and Dan. I'm 100% sure one of them is Scum, and likely one of them will point at someone else"just enough" to not look like they are just pushing for a single vote.

that being said, there is enough support her to lynch me, so what the fuck are you guys waiting for, someone to bake cookies? I'll take one for the team at this point, don't care.

 

[WhiteSpy9]

So seeing AJ vote for himself.... and having been there before is enough for me to not vote for him D1.
I think he will be on the chopping block again soon and the more I read his posts.... the more I feel like I could change my mind on that D1 decision, but that is how I'm feeling right now.


This is a very strange tactic....... What is the reasoning for this?

I can sit back for awhile and see if you guys can function any better without me in the limelight for whatever reason.