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Mafia game 5 - GAME IS ON!

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
However, I'm inclined to believe that Picklz is town. The one or two times I have given him "town points" were based on his stating that he went back through the thread to look for more clues. At least from personal experience playing scum, I never feel the need to do that. It seems like a very town thing to do.

All it takes is typing "I went back through the thread to look for more clues."

I don't think it leans either way... could be town in genuine, could be a smart move to simply put that if scum.

Either way, it obviously works enough to take some heat off. Combine that with riding me for the last day or two and you've got a pretty good "shield" going on.
 
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WhiteSpy9

Guest
Ben, you really seem to take this game personally.

Do you really feel that people are "riding you"?

Why are you so defensive? Do you feel that you aren't being heard or ignored?

Until you tone down the defensive/personal attachment, you are at the top of my list for a potential vote.

1st Ben

2nd would be Thom... beard theory still sticks for me.

3rd Picklz

4th Dan. I've said it before though... if Dan is in fact scum, wow.... this guy right here. However, I don't *Think* he is scum this game at all. Especially with the role reveal.
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
Nah it's not personal... Just seems like there's been one person in particular who likes to twist my posts, and has really done so the entire game.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really IS Town... could someone explain how i've lasted this far into the game if so?
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
Looking back... after all this, Picklz never had a sticking vote for me. For someone who seems to have thought without a break that i was scum... that seems strange.

Although, if he did vote for me, you'd be sure that Dan would go with him, and then the bandwagon would go from there, and i'd be gone, and he'd have no whipping boy.

All he had to do was actually vote for me and make a formal case. Never happened.
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
All it takes is typing "I went back through the thread to look for more clues."

I don't think it leans either way... could be town in genuine, could be a smart move to simply put that if scum.

Either way, it obviously works enough to take some heat off. Combine that with riding me for the last day or two and you've got a pretty good "shield" going on.
It's not just that he said he did, it's that he gave a decent overview of the action up until that point, with specific details that proves that it actually happened. Post for reference: http://www.mnmazda.com/forum/showth...me-5-GAME-IS-ON!&p=86557&viewfull=1#post86557

@Andy - Do have a reason for putting Ben at the top other than being defensive?
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
Looking back... after all this, Picklz never had a sticking vote for me. For someone who seems to have thought without a break that i was scum... that seems strange.

Although, if he did vote for me, you'd be sure that Dan would go with him, and then the bandwagon would go from there, and i'd be gone, and he'd have no whipping boy.


All he had to do was actually vote for me and make a formal case. Never happened.
What does that even mean? Picklz voted for you numerous times yesterday...
 

Picklz

SUDO Make me a SAMCH
Arrrrggggggg...

There's a big difference between saying what i did, and what you said.



Do you really have an argument against that, and you think that they're the same thing? o_O



Anyways... i'm going back to read the roles. I think one of you just lied and it just showed up in the last two posts.

You didn't say it exactly that way, but what you said equates to not wanting or not caring if ALL the possible information we have is revealed or not. Yes I've been 'riding' you because you keep doing and saying things that at best appear odd or questionable. You haven't done any great scum hunting that I can recall and yet you are very defensive frequently.


concealer404 said:
Nah it's not personal... Just seems like there's been one person in particular who likes to twist my posts, and has really done so the entire game.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really IS Town... could someone explain how i've lasted this far into the game if so?
You try and push every accusation towards you as 'twisting your words' - some you've had somewhat valid points on maybe taking things not quite the way you meant them, but a lot of it you're picking one tiny item out of a post and saying OMG TWISTING WORDS and trying to sidestep around the rest of it. Again as I said above you seem more on the defensive and less actively trying to make a difference. It's the lack of scum hunting and general "Sit back unless I have to defend" type of game play that concerns me. As for why you're alive still - There have probably been better arguments elsewhere for votes than you - I've moved my vote to others I've also suspected to be Scum who arguably had better arguments against them, obviously that hasn't worked out so well.


Also waiting on your theory still about the roles and such...
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
What does that even mean? Picklz voted for you numerous times yesterday...
And ended up retracting his vote to stick with the bandwagon. He never pushed hard enough to start the bandwagon for me.

Either that, or he's just spent the last few (real) days feeling me out hoping i'd trip up bad enough to make a case, and never got the result he wanted.

I'm HOPING it's the second scenario, in which i would go with You, Me, and Picklz as town. And then obviously Thom and Andy as scum.

It makes sense, i just can't quite tip myself more one way than the other. I'm fairly certain i have the grouping correct, though. With me being vanilla town, it's You and Picklz with me or against town, and it's Andy and Thom with me or scum.
 

Picklz

SUDO Make me a SAMCH
Looking back... after all this, Picklz never had a sticking vote for me. For someone who seems to have thought without a break that i was scum... that seems strange.

Although, if he did vote for me, you'd be sure that Dan would go with him, and then the bandwagon would go from there, and i'd be gone, and he'd have no whipping boy.

All he had to do was actually vote for me and make a formal case. Never happened.
I have never thought 100% that you were scum, I HAVE been suspicious of you - and HAVE voted for you multiple times (I've probably had a vote on you more/longer than for anyone else). But you have to move votes around to help gather information, and also move votes in order to get shit done if others aren't following me.
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
@Ben - Why do you have Picklz and I paired and Tom and Andy paired? Why couldn't it be one of the numerous other pairs?
 
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WhiteSpy9

Guest
Going through the posts from D1, Ben was really.... really push for a Dan lynch D1. (Did he know something we still don't?)

His gameplay now is extremely defensive.
So, albeit a poor case.... that is all I got right now.


@Andy - Do have a reason for putting Ben at the top other than being defensive?
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
You didn't say it exactly that way, but what you said equates to not wanting or not caring if ALL the possible information we have is revealed or not. Yes I've been 'riding' you because you keep doing and saying things that at best appear odd or questionable. You haven't done any great scum hunting that I can recall and yet you are very defensive frequently.
Here's the thing... it equates to that if that's how you WANT to see it. I'm a male, what i post is what i mean. No hidden messages.

Obviously i care to have as much information as i can have. Unfortunately, nobody stepped forward with any of it prior, and what you guys came forward with isn't necessarily helpful, and since this is "make or break," we won't get any further useful information out of you guys if you're truly power roles.

I still have no idea what things i'm doing and saying that appear odd or questionable. The best anyone has been able to come up with is stuff that's been twisted.






You try and push every accusation towards you as 'twisting your words' - some you've had somewhat valid points on maybe taking things not quite the way you meant them, but a lot of it you're picking one tiny item out of a post and saying OMG TWISTING WORDS and trying to sidestep around the rest of it. Again as I said above you seem more on the defensive and less actively trying to make a difference. It's the lack of scum hunting and general "Sit back unless I have to defend" type of game play that concerns me. As for why you're alive still - There have probably been better arguments elsewhere for votes than you - I've moved my vote to others I've also suspected to be Scum who arguably had better arguments against them, obviously that hasn't worked out so well.


Also waiting on your theory still about the roles and such...
You know what? I'm going to go with something that seems weird to me... that if you and Dan are scum, that means there was only one power role, with the number of roles out there vs. how many people are playing (even though i don't know how it was determined how many roles there are present)....

I'm going with:

VOTE: TOM

I'm still weirded out by you in general in the last day in particular, and definitely think you and Dan have it in you to create an elaborate ruse based on power roles you don't actually have... but i also think Thom would have been capable of the same thing, but opted to take the easy way out.

Basically: I'm the only vanilla Townie left.
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
@Ben - Why do you have Picklz and I paired and Tom and Andy paired? Why couldn't it be one of the numerous other pairs?
Because of how you and Picklz are interacting (even without you knowing) makes you a team. There's also no way with the short amount of time that was between your post explaining what you got out of your power role and his post explaining what he DID with his power role that you BOTH could have made that stuff up on the fly. So... either 1) You're both telling the truth or 2) You both worked out that story behind the scenes as scum.

I thought i had you guys tripped up in a lie with those posts, but i had Tracker and Watcher roles mixed up. No flaws in your stories.
 

concealer404

Skanky Escorts LLC
Going through the posts from D1, Ben was really.... really push for a Dan lynch D1. (Did he know something we still don't?)

His gameplay now is extremely defensive.
So, albeit a poor case.... that is all I got right now.
I thought Dan was pushing too hard for a D1, which obviously ended up resulting in nothing. Judging by the fact that on D1 we have no reactions or any sort of basis to go with, it seemed silly at the time to try as hard as Dan was trying. What i was really trying to do was just get an early vote so we could move on and actually have some information to work with.


But how's this for being offensive for a change? You and Thom are scum. :D
 
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