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2010 Twin turbo Taurus SHO

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DrWebster

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So since there's going to be a new Taurus SHO, does that mean they're gonna do a remate of Robocop too?
 
Picklz

Picklz

SUDO Make me a SAMCH
ZoomZoom Diva said:
There is a chicken-and-the-egg thing going on with manual transmissions. It's rather a self-fulfilling prophecy to say that people aren't buying manual transmissions when they aren't being widely offered so that people even have the opportunity to buy them and even when they are offered by the manufacturer, they are not available to buy at the local dealer.

Also, we are not talking of a mainstream car here. We are speaking of a niche vehicle aimed at the automotive enthusiast. This audience is going to be vastly disproportionately interested in a manual.
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I don't think that's entirely true, this is a larger sedan aimed at the person who needs a family car, but doesn't want to give up all of the fun (at least thats how I'm reading it). In that case I could see a large percent of those buyers going auto because the other half doesn't want to drive a stick.

I do agree with you that it's hard to say for sure that a very small % of buyers buy a manual when such few cars offer it. I believe that was probably the case or trend at one time, but I don't know if it still would be, if more vehicles were offered with it.
 
AJ

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
E-licious said:
But you JUST SOLD an MS6! That fits all of the above!



GTFO! :ammo:
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The MS6 wasn't auto so that was one factor in giving it up. Getting something 2 years newer or less was the other big factor. For my situation, we need to have our daily drivers auto so either of us can drive them at any time. Jana doesn't care to drive MT, and at this point I don't blame her.

I shall keep my man card for that one day I shall pick up another toy and it shall not be AT. But as a daily, I've had more than my fill of MT in rush hour traffic. ACT 2600lb clutch for an hour straight in a DSM sucked. Hell, after an hour in bad traffic, stock clutches sucked. Granted I don't have a drive like that anymore, you never know where I may move to next.
 
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ZoomZoom Diva

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I don't see why "the other half" should have so much power in a two daily driver household. Personally, since my partner is not going to be driving my car anyway, he is not going to have any authority over what transmission I have in my car. If he wants a car with an automatic, I won't stand in his way either.
 
Picklz

Picklz

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Not saying I agree with it James, just that it's the way it is for many. It does make some sense, if one car is in the shop, or you want to split up the driving on a road trip or something, at the same time It's not that hard to drive a manual.
 
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spek1098

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ZoomZoom Diva said:
There is a chicken-and-the-egg thing going on with manual transmissions. It's rather a self-fulfilling prophecy to say that people aren't buying manual transmissions when they aren't being widely offered so that people even have the opportunity to buy them and even when they are offered by the manufacturer, they are not available to buy at the local dealer.

Also, we are not talking of a mainstream car here. We are speaking of a niche vehicle aimed at the automotive enthusiast. This audience is going to be vastly disproportionately interested in a manual.
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No, it has nothing to do with chickens or eggs. It's the most basic rule in modern economics; the law of supply and demand. If there was the demand for them, the companies would supply them. It's kind of like attacking and blaming the car industry for making gas guzzlers and SUVs. They simply made what people wanted and were buying.

You’re talking as if they have no clue what the market wants. I know they are slow to adapting and have had too narrow a focus in past decisions, but I trust they have competent marketing professionals who have look closely at the preferences of what they deem is there target market.
 
YSOSLO

YSOSLO

is the word, beotch
I see what James is getting at though. Rather than asking Taurus drivers what they'd want in a SHO (which would likely NOT include the option of a MT) they should ask drivers of sport sedans what they'd like to see in a SHO (which likely WOULD include the option of a MT)...that's all he's saying I think, and I'd agree
 
AJ

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Outside the box... I love the debate going on and this is more of what the forum needs.

Inside the box.. I think we can all agree that it will be interesting to see how this car does not only in the market at that price and as an AT only option, but also in the given driving tests it will be put through.
 
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mazdamn02

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I miss this place (too busy lately), seriously, about 6 of the last comments made me laugh out loud. Anyways I think this could be a seriously great car, but I don't like the automatic transmission and the price tag. Ford is trying...
 
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DrWebster

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My two cents:

1. Automatics aren't the complete "slushboxes" that they once were. They're getting more efficient (my ATX 3 gets only 1 mpg less EPA than an MTX 3 from the same year), they're getting more responsive (shifting quicker and more intelligently), and most of them now offer a manumatic mode. I'm not ashamed that my 3 is an ATX because I'm plenty happy with its performance.

2. It's not just ATX vs. MTX any more, there are transmissions that blur the lines between the two -- robotic manuals like DSG, for example. You get the efficiency of a true manual (no torque converter), but the convenience of computer-controlled shifting (while retaining a manual mode). So if someone buys a robotic manual, do they have to turn in their man card too?

3. The reason some people don't drive manuals -- and I'm one of these -- is not because they're lazy, but because they simply don't know how. The car I drove for driver's ed was an automatic, and my parents haven't owned a manual in over 25 years. I don't disagree that some people are just lazy and don't want an MTX, but I'd bet a decent proportion of drivers out there simply never learned, or even had the oppurtunity to learn, how to drive a manual.
 
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