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board game "Scattergoryies" fight!

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LASERBLUE135

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So my wife and I can NOT play the game of Scattergories without kicking and punching and fighting rediculously. Seriously the last time we could not get through ONE round without the game flying across the room. Some of the past arguments have been...

Is Scottland is a state?

Is a worm an insect?

and finally: what blew everything up today...

Is silver made of metal?

-It IS a metal, its not really "made" of metal.

Do any of you have these problems? What do you think?
 
dmention7

dmention7

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LASERBLUE135 said:
So my wife and I can NOT play the game of Scattergories without kicking and punching and fighting rediculously. Seriously the last time we could not get through ONE round without the game flying across the room. Some of the past arguments have been...

Is Scottland is a state?
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Depends on whether you're restricting states to the United States of America. It's sort of a country within a country, so it could probably be considered a state. There are a lot of ways to define a "state" politically. I would probably let that one go if someone was willing to argue the point.

Is a worm an insect?
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No. Every insect has 6 legs.

and finally: what blew everything up today...

Is silver made of metal?

-It IS a metal, its not really "made" of metal.
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I think you'd have to be REALLY anal to not let that one go. Scattergories is about being creative, and it's not a stretch to say that silver is made of metal.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

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I disagree on silver. I think saying silver is "made of" metal is incorrect. Being "made" implies that it was somehow constructed or produced. Silver is a basic chemical element, it just IS metal, IMO.
 
dmention7

dmention7

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I disagree with your logic. The phrase "made of" is colloquially used to mean "composed of". It's perfectly legitimate to say, for example, "the sun is made of hydrogen and helium" without implying that it is constructed or produced. You are just describing the make-up.

Now, sure you can say that silver as an abstract concept is not made of metal, but that's not the point. If I point to a chunk of silver and ask "is that made of metal?" the answer would be yes. And that's good enough for scattergories.

IMO, making a case for a scattergories answer is more like defending the defendant in a criminal case, and less like defending your doctoral thesis... you simply need to make it plausible, not airtight.
 
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LASERBLUE135

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dmention7 said:
you simply need to make it plausible, not airtight.
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That's how I feel. Basically if you are playing with a group of people these things aren't an issue. The group simply votes and the game moves on. BUT, when you and your wife are just playing one on one or with kids it gets TOTALLY different.

Basically I think if you say silver is not made of metal, you're a total frickin' idiot.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

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dmention7 said:
I disagree with your logic. The phrase "made of" is colloquially used to mean "composed of". It's perfectly legitimate to say, for example, "the sun is made of hydrogen and helium" without implying that it is constructed or produced. You are just describing the make-up.
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Sure, when the sun is "made of" things that aren't the sun. Would you say helium is made of helium? I wouldn't say a rock is made of rock either.
 
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LASERBLUE135

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dmention7 said:
Note to self: do not play scattergories with mnmazda members unless I am in the mood for fisticuffs.
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Agree!

OK, have you guys ever played scattergories? It is not scientific facts were looking for. The stategy of the game is to quickly think of unique words that meet the criteria of the catagory. Would you seriously CHALLENGE that silver is not a metal?

Silver is "made of" pretty much 100% metal if we are just talking plainly like the game should be played (in my opinion).

If you want to be strict as hell and scientific, then silver is definetly "made of metal" because silver is not going to be 100% silver. It is going to contain other metals the vast majority of the time in very small amounts.

My wife said the exact same thing..."that's like saying a human being is 'made of' human being". NO! That's being a frickin' a-hole prick. Silver is definetely made of metal, whether being scientific or just talking plainly.

Moving on, I also said the Scotland is a state...

Is Scotland a "state"?

It is Now. Scotland is a constitutent country, which means it is a country within a country. It shall still be a state after it acheives independence, but not a state like Ohio, a Soveign state, which is a proper country.

100% Scotland is a state.

My wife said that a worm was an insect. I challenged that and she FLIPPED OUT! Thank you for anyone who agrees that it is not.

Lets think of it another way. If the question said, "things that are NOT made of metal" Would silver be logical answer? I say hell no.
 
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LASERBLUE135

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from wikipedia, the know it all of the web...

(silver) occurs naturally in its pure, free form (native silver), as an alloy with gold and other metals, and in minerals such as argentite and chlorargyrite. Most silver is produced as a by-product of copper, gold, lead, and zinc refining.

^^^like I said, silver is "made of" many different metals. As we know it in nature, silver is an "alloy", not a metal. The defense rests.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

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But, silver is also a pure element... and while it is A metal, I could easily argue it is not "made of" metal.

That's like saying oxygen is "made of" gas. It is A gas.
 
mndsm

mndsm

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Workdawg said:
Sure, when the sun is "made of" things that aren't the sun. Would you say helium is made of helium? I wouldn't say a rock is made of rock either.
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I'd say a rock is made of rock. When you say "a rock" you're using the noun to describe the object. When you say it's "made of rock" it's the material it's made of. A countertop can be made of rock, Dans moms dildo can be made of rock, and a rock can be made of rock. Just because the material it's made from happens to be the descriptive term for the object itself is ancillary to the whole thing. Same as a marshmallow. They're made of marshmallow, same as marshmallow creme.
 
mndsm

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Who me? Metal IS made of metal. Very few modern metals these days are 100% pure base form of said metal. Gold? Very rarely 100% gold. Steel? Steel is metal, but it's composed of several other metals. Sure... we're talking a matter of alloys here, and if you wanted to get technical, the right way would have been to put it "silver alloy" but still, metal is made of metal.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

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dmention7 said:
I invite you to argue that metal is not made of metal, without resorting to matters of semantics.
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How can you argue it without bringing into question the semantics?

If the question is "a piece of silver" made of metal, then the answer would be yes. The topic of the question is a physical object, which it is implied is made of silver, and silver is a metal.

If the question is "silver" made of metal, then I would say no. Silver isn't made of anything. As you said before, this would be about the abstract concept of silver.

Clearly we aren't going to agree on this though, so really... what's the point?
 
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LASERBLUE135

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Metal IS made of metal. Basically things are made of things. what is silver made of? silver; and often other metals. What is metal made of? metals.
 
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ZoomZoom Diva

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I would likely consider all of these to be bad answers. The game is NOT creativity or the bending of definitions. I would even think that a nation as a sovereign state is very seriously pushing it. However, if one had answered "solid" as a state of matter... I would be laughing.

On the silver one, I think it needs to be an object. Material would not qualify.
 
dmention7

dmention7

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mndsm said:
Who me? Metal IS made of metal. Very few modern metals these days are 100% pure base form of said metal. Gold? Very rarely 100% gold. Steel? Steel is metal, but it's composed of several other metals. Sure... we're talking a matter of alloys here, and if you wanted to get technical, the right way would have been to put it "silver alloy" but still, metal is made of metal.
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No, Dan. You just happened to ninja-post me. lol

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How can you argue it without bringing into question the semantics?

If the question is "a piece of silver" made of metal, then the answer would be yes. The topic of the question is a physical object, which it is implied is made of silver, and silver is a metal.

If the question is "silver" made of metal, then I would say no. Silver isn't made of anything. As you said before, this would be about the abstract concept of silver.

Clearly we aren't going to agree on this though, so really... what's the point?
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If this is only about the abstract concept of "silver", then any answer would be wrong. The abstract concept of a wrench is not made of metal. In fact, many wrenches have rubber coated grips, so technically it's wrong to say that a wrench is made of metal anyways. Do you see where I'm going?

The structure of the game is such that partial rightness defines a correct answer, and only complete wrongness disqualifies an answer.
 
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