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The Chemistry help thread.

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
Well a thread got me through math now it is time for it to get me through chemistry.


I am having a hard time calculating moles.

Avogadro's number is 6.02*10^23 -----what does that mean?

A mole is not a solid number it changes based on the formula you have?


PLEASE Jay stop driving trains and make this make sense.
 

mOjO

Member
Well a thread got me through math now it is time for it to get me through chemistry.


I am having a hard time calculating moles.

Avogadro's number is 6.02*10^23 -----what does that mean?

A mole is not a solid number it changes based on the formula you have?


PLEASE Jay stop driving trains and make this make sense.

6.02*10^23 = Mole

as

12 = Dozen

Mole is a name for a very large number. So 4 grams of Helium has a Mole of atoms. The number is SO CRAZY huge... it's referred to in a calculation or as Mole
 

dmention7

Hater
What mojo said. It's no different than saying a dozen or a hundred or a trillion. It's just a word for a very large number of things.

One mole is always 6.02x10^23. What it sounds like is tripping you up is what that means when you start having to figure out what kind of properties a mole of XXX has. So a couple of examples....

Say a marble weighs 1 gram. Then a hundred marbles weigh 100 grams. A million marbles weigh 100,000 grams (or 1x10^6 grams). A mole of marbles weighs 6.02x10^23 grams. It works the same way when you're talking about atoms or molecules. To make things simpler though, most of the time in chemistry you don't talk about the weight of a single atom, because that would be a very small number. Instead, you usually talk about how much atoms weigh by saying that (for example) carbon weighs 12 grams per mole.

Let me know if you follow so far before I get too into things. lol
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
That is great keep the examples coming.

Moles to atoms?
grams to moles?
What is a formula unit?

This doesn'tmake sense

Number of moles = (# of grams) ÷ (molar mass)
Number of grams = (# of moles) × (molar mass)

What do I plug in where. I am fine with the math just not what to put where when I get it in place I can crunch the numbers no problem.


And when do i use the atomic weight?


I am also in a bit of trouble when it comes to figuring out how to balance a formula so it is equal.
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
By the way I have been checking this thread religously for the last two hours waiting for you to post.
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
Here is a problem I have to work out. Fill in the blanks.

Element Mass Moles Number of Atoms
NA 33.5mg _____ _____
C _____ 1.85 _____
V _____ _____ 220
Hg 1.38kg _____ _____
 

dmention7

Hater
That is great keep the examples coming.

Moles to atoms?
grams to moles?
What is a formula unit?
Moles to atoms - A mole is 6.02x10^23 of anything. So a mole is 6.02x10^23 atoms.

Grams to moles - Depends on the molar mass (the mass per mole) Here's what you need to know: Mass = Moles * Molar Mass.

This is where a firm understanding of units becomes critical. Being able to go between grams, moles, grams/mole, etc and recognize the meaning and relationship of the units is key.

I can tell you what numbers to plug in where, but unless you understand what you're doing it's not going to help you for more than a week or so.

What doesn't make sense, and why?
 
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DrWebster

Guest
Molar mass is how much mass one mole of a given compound/element has. While a mole is a fixed unit of measure, the molar mass will vary from element to element.

Following Mojo's example of a mole being a similar unit of measure to a dozen (in that a dozen = 12, and a mole = 6.02 x 10^23, or Avogadro's Number):

Let's say you have three dozen eggs. One dozen small, one dozen medium, and one dozen large eggs.

A dozen small eggs weigh 16 ounces.
A dozen medium eggs weigh 20 ounces.
A dozen large eggs weigh 24 ounces.

In all three of these, you still have the same quantity of eggs -- 12 of each size. However, each dozen eggs has a different mass because the eggs themselves are different. Such is the same with elements; one atom of carbon has a different mass than one atom of hydrogen. Thus, one mole of carbon has a different mass than one mole of hydrogen. Like Jay said, moles are simply a much more convenient unit of measure to use when dealing with elements since atoms are so ridiculously small -- moles simply let you "scale up" your numbers.

Number of moles = (# of grams) ÷ (molar mass)
Number of grams = (# of moles) × (molar mass)
This is where math comes into play. Moles, molar mass, and the resulting mass of a sample is a balanced equation.

Here's an example. Carbon has a molar mass of 12.0107 grams per mole. That is, 6.02 x 10^23 atoms -- or one mole -- of carbon has a mass of 12.0107 grams. Now, let's say you have 3 moles of carbon. How many grams of it do you have? Since we know the mass of one mole (12.0107 grams), simply multiply it by 3 (the number of moles you have), and you'll end up with 36.0321 grams.

Here's another example using the egg analogy. Let's say a dozen medium eggs have a mass of 20 ounces. You have 3 dozen eggs; how much mass do all of them have? 20 ounces per dozen, multiplied by 3 dozen, equals 60 ounces.

Now, let's say you have 48 ounces of large eggs. As said above, large eggs have a mass of 24 ounces per dozen. How many dozen eggs do you have? Two dozen -- 48 ounces (how much you have total) divided by 24 ounces (how much in a dozen) is two.

Atomic mass (remember, there's difference between mass and weight) is the mass of a single atom of an element. The unit of measure is different, it's called an AMU, or Atomic Mass Unit. An AMU is a *very* small number; if you tried to convert it into grams you'd have a decimal point with a shit ton of zeros to the right of it. For the most part, you'll be working with molar mass, since it's such a much easier unit of measure to work with. My wife is a chemist, and even she doesn't use AMU's very often, and I suspect Jay will say the same.
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
I would just like to undetstand the relationship you are talking about. Like mole to mole mass to formula unit to g to mg to kg to atom
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
Well I have a little more issues here.

I Would like to know how do they come up with the charge a element will get. I understand that most of the transition metals will give you kinda random ^1 or ^+1or ^-1 and so on.

But how can under stand what the none metals and alkali metals will give (more predictable charge I guess). But what are those charges and how do they get them?
 
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